These are new off the shelf. One has the original box and one does not. Check out that listing if interested.
Thanks for looking and good luck! The item "Miller Smith Gasaver Gas Saver WDW-104 Propane Natural Torch Blacksmith Welding" is in sale since Friday, July 12, 2019. This item is in the category "Business & Industrial\CNC, Metalworking & Manufacturing\Welding & Soldering Equipment\Welding Equipment & Accessories\Welders, Cutters & Torches\Gas Welding Torches".
The seller is "37chevymd" and is located in Cary, Illinois. This item can be shipped to United States.